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Have you ever cut off a family member.

Not for me. I know that happened to a boy on our block when he came out. Also my dad sort of shunned a couple of his cousins for a few years but he got over it eventually and i think they're mostly good now.

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:

Anonymous wrote:

Respectful disagreements in the same order you went:

God

No. No they should not be allowed to have their god. But if it is insisted, at least let them have a personal journey with god on their own. No organized religion/indoctrination. It's been pushed in the faces of those who can see the similarities between god and santa are just to damn close to be ignored for far too long. And herd mentality really has no place in politics or anywhere else where critical thinking is vital. At this point in my view it would be inviting mental illness to affect some of our most important choices of our lives.

If ANYONE - ANY DAMN ONE - can show me enough evidence that there's reason we should believe in god any more than santa clause I'll totally let you have it though. I promise. But Bible alone is not enough not even close.

Well, the conversation is hypothetical, but let's say we could, by banging a gavel, force people to stop practicing religion.

I think that, to say "you're not allowed to teach your children about your fake religion that I know is fake because no one has proven it right yet" is wrong for the same reasons that it is wrong to indoctrinate anyone into anything.

Santa is bad because your parents KNOW that Santa isn't real. If your parents "know" that Odin is real and believe that teaching you about Odin is the best way to put you on the path to the most fulfilling life possible, it's their right to teach you about it and to gather with others and celebrate Odin with each other.

Give children the critical thinking skills. They will leave religion on their own, or if they don't, at least approach it with a more critical eye.

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Law

Law is supposed to be just. Being just suggests fairness and equality under the law. Actually "just" is defined in the dictionary as: "based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair." Don't defend such an obvious crock of ****shit dude. Of course it's not fair but how many people know it's supposed to be? I'm a law idiot and I just ran a Google search here's intro to law and ethics 101: "Based on societyโ€™s ethics, laws are created and enforced by governments to mediate our relationships with each other, and to protect its citizens. While laws carry with them a punishment for violations, ethics do not. Essentially, laws enforce the behaviors we are expected to follow, while ethics suggest what we ought to follow, and help us explore options to improve our decision-making."

Law and personal ethics do not mix(unless they're shady c**** and do it anyway). There are professional and national ethics that are absolutely in play though when concerning rule of law.
(in which btw decisions aren't made because anyone thinks god wants it that way, we make those decisions based on the supposed just laws that the people we elected made up so that we may be governed. Including god would be a personal ethic not a national one. America is not a Christian nation. Or any other religion.)

Law clearly deals in some kind of ethics though.

You're right in the sense that we do have rules and expectations in place to try and insure that, in applying the law, people in the legal profession are as fair as possible.

The law itself though, meaning the actual laws, are not fair, and are in certain contexts very unfair (and where despite their obvious unfairness, you are still expected to pay a penalty for breaking them).

Is it fair that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" so that, if I don't know the speed limit I still have to pay the fine even though I didn't see any posted speed limit signs? No.

Is it unethical to steal bread that I will die without from a wealthy baker? No.

That's what I mean when I say "law is not the same as ethics" which is what I remember my business law teacher said back in junior high. She was cute so I payed attention.

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:

On the list though:

the Tooth Fairy
the Easter Bunny
Santa Claus

Agreed, no need for these fictions, they don't do anything positive for your kid and can only hurt.

God

In my opinion, the correct position on God is agnosticism, and I tend to give people who feel that have real spiritual experiences with the divine the benefit of the doubt, even if I can doubt whether or not they have really experienced it...let people have god if they want.

law is fair

Clearly it isn't but it's also not supposed to be, from what little I've studied of it. the law is just the law, some laws are fair, others aren't. It depends on the context. And law and ethics are not the same thing either.

America is the greatest/freest country in the world

It is among the freest and greatest, along with countries in the EU and Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and Japan. But that's only virtue of so many other nations being so terrible.

Work hard and be rewarded

Well...again, depends on the context, but yes, lots of people work very hard and do not get a proportionate reward for it.

Circumcision without consent at birth is good(more a theft AND a lie)

Agree with this so hard

"You're special"

You are!

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List of "HOW DARE YOU" LIES I was once made to believe:

I agree that traditional parenting assumes that you have to be dishonest with your kids about certain things. And that for the most part...this is wrong.

The Santa Claus thing seems to me to be the worse offender, it doesn't make any sense and is a dumb myth. Give your kids presents and tell them you love them. You don't need to tell them a bs story about a mythical beast.

Logic and critical thinking skills need to be implemented in public school curriculum at an early age.

People should be taught how to do basic taxes (like if you're single and don't own a home level) and stuff like you mention in school.

If you live in a non-urban area with unreliable public transport, you should be taught how to drive in public school from an early age (unless your parents request an opt out).

Those are some ideas I just thought up about making kids better prepared for life, though I haven't thought them through the driving thing that carefully.

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Straight/Bi men: Have you ever met a woman that made you have trouble trusting women generally or wish you weren't into women anymore?

As a straight man, to answer whether I ever wished I was not straight because of an experience with a woman, the answer is no. though I grew up in a time and place where the kids in class used terms like "gay" and others as insults. So I'm sure that is something that has been absorbed into my subconscious for the worse.

As far as if I had experiences that made me trust women less...absolutely.

Probably the most traumatic was experiences in elementary school where I was bullied by a group of girls. It did give me trust issues when it comes to women.

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So the unemployment office sent more payments than they should which somehow created a debt to them.

This post waa actually good timing so now i know what expect if the gov't comes after us for that extra week or two

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I truly equate time wasters the same with murderers.

Anonymous wrote:

Lano wrote:
There's book by a German author, same guy who wrote Neverending Story, called Momo. Its about these small creatures who literally go around stealing human beings time. Great stuff! They should make that into a movie...

I would actually probably like to see it if they did!

Maybe it could clue me in to the psychology of time wasting assholes and by understanding their psychology I could better relate to why someone might be a worthless blight on this species like they are.

Clearly being so much more human than they, I'm having trouble relating with the animal criminals.

Well..its a kids book so the theme is a bit more sesame street than all that...still, a wonderful story.

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I truly equate time wasters the same with murderers.

There's book by a German author, same guy who wrote Neverending Story, called Momo. Its about these small creatures who literally go around stealing human beings time. Great stuff! They should make that into a movie...

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I've been trying listen to Congressional hearings lately.

NacthoMan wrote:
wouldnt it be nice if there was a politician that would be somewhere along the lines of.. " ok we got x as the problem i got y as the solution.. explains x. .and explains y = explains z (outcome) no catch no tricks .. how bout that ? lets go pass the vote! "

That actually does happen...more or less.

Problem is they tend to leave out the part of which special interests benefit from sovling that specific problem and then another congressman will point that out and say "the thing you're saying is a problem isn't really a problem." And use cherry picked data points to prove their point.

Also there is a lot of posturing. Like the whole thing about giving aid to states for the pandemic...from what i understand, behind closed doors republicans were never really opposed to this but some members were outspoken critics of the idea as a bargaining technique. Say you don't want something you actually want so that when you "give" it to the other side during negotiation it seems like a concession.

Republicans are going to fold hard on that talking point in fhe next aid package from what i've been hearing.

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I've been trying listen to Congressional hearings lately.

Jim jordan is definitely one of the bad ones:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinside...

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